20 Years Of Being A Theist And My Opinion On Abortion


I have been to roughly 30 churches over a lifetime and maybe 20 of those were visited after I became a bible believer.

I am sharing my opinion on abortion and how we should deal with it.

First: The word abortion isn’t in the Bible.

But this is:

Hosea 9:14: give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

In Nature we have this:

Spontaneous abortions occur far more often than medical abortions.

My conclusion:

I conclude we should end abortion, it’s a bad practice.

Here is my recommendation on how we should end it:

  • Make sex education a requirment at all learning levels within the range of possible conception.
  • Make contraceptives free and readily available to the public.
  • Provide free prenatal care.
  • Provide financial assistance for expecting parents.
  • Provide free child care.
  • End rape in society.
  • Provide advanced medical technology that can save the mother and child in any medical emergency scenario.
  • Provide free mental health screenings, support, and supplement needs.
Until then:

For the interim, until we can provide the above recommendations in their entirety, I say we let the mother decide because it’s none of our business.

1 Thessalonians 4:11

11 and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life: You should mind your own business and work with your hands, just as we told you,

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15 comments

  1. Can you separate the mental health of a woman from her physical health? Is abortion not an extension of natural miscarriage? Is keeping a pregnancy under duress natural in any way?
    Mammals do this—some are able to nurture their young, others are not. Is someone at fault for their natural disposition?

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    • You Asked — “Can you separate the mental health of a woman from her physical health?”

      My Response — No, the mind is the body and both must be considered. I overlooked mental health and added it to the post, good point.

      You Asked — “Is abortion not an extension of natural miscarriage?”

      My Response — Not if induced by an outside agency such as technology, medication, or a doctor.

      You Asked — “Is keeping a pregnancy under duress natural in any way?”

      My Response — No, if someone is forced to do something against their will then it is inherently unnatural for them to do so.

      You Asked — “Is someone at fault for their natural disposition?”

      My Response — Possibly but “fault” is complex and takes a grounded amount of nuance to decipher.

      BUT

      A person is always “responsible” for their natural disposition. We have no choice but to be responsible for ourselves since we have the highest level of vested interest.

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      • Your response— Not if induced by an outside agency such as technology, medication, or a doctor”
        Is reaching out to a doctor not natural? Should she prefer to instigate outside trauma on herself? You just said the mental aspect you had not considered. How can her feeling be separated from her physical well being?
        As to your final point; no immutable attribute of oneself can be a sin. Can the organism that need to change do the changing? Very rare that anyone can change their spots. They typically find others ways to cope, but change? Not much. You only have so much to work with.

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        • You Asked — “Is reaching out to a doctor not natural?

          My Response — It’s relative. As thinking agents combined with upbringing and specific culture… it could be natural for some and un-natural for others. In my family it would be considered unnatural or even taboo to see a doctor.

          You Asked — “Should she prefer to instigate outside trauma on herself?”

          My Response — Trauma should be avoided but may be unavoidable depending on the circumstances. I may not understand the question.

          You Asked — “How can her feeling be separated from her physical well being?”

          My Response — The only way I know of to separate feelings from actual wellbeing are through professionals. Feelings cannot be trusted; they are simply a starting point of awareness but are heavily bias due to a person’s environment and programming. One must have the ability to trust an outside agency and overcome feelings to get help.

          This is to say that you may feel well but you may actually be in distress, either mentally or physically. An advisor of some type must be trusted above oneself to get help such as a doctor, counselor, etc. Her feelings can be separated via acceptance of a greater authority. This is not to be confused with knowledge. If you know something, then that knowledge trumps feelings and outside sources. It may take wisdom to know when and where you are with any of this.

          You Stated and Asked — “As to your final point; no immutable attribute of oneself can be a sin. Can the organism that need to change do the changing?”

          My Response — Immutable attributes are relative, any aspect of an individual is subject to change but may not have changed.

          This is to say that a person may be ignorant and over time they become more educated, they could have dark hair but over time it becomes gray, they could be hateful but over time become compassionate.

          Attributes are relative to points in time plus environment and interaction.

          Sin is also relative and may or may not apply under similar circumstances.

          If an organism wants to change it can, but it may not be successful, or even be aware that it has failed in its attempt to do so.

          A good example would be someone who thinks they had covid and overcame it with ivermectin. They may think they have changed their immune response to protect them from covid but may still die once exposed because they had not.

          A pedophile may think they have overcome the urge through self-discipline but in reality, they will still act on impulse when given an opportunity (such as seen with priests)

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          • Just because an attribute is inherent doesn’t mean I condone mingling it with mainstream society. But is it a sin? Could Hitler have done anything different than he did? Could you or I? I don’t think so.

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            • You Asked — “Just because an attribute is inherent doesn’t mean I condone mingling it with mainstream society. But is it a sin?”

              My Response — Sin is relative. It can be a sin depending on what is done and who is aware or impacted. For instance, marrying a 10 year old girl and impregnating her is a sin in many countries but not in America. You could even be imprisoned for such a thing and in a few countries killed.

              You Asked — “Could Hitler have done anything different than he did?”

              My Response — Choice is also relative. He could have done something different the moment he did it BUT he can not have done anything different from our perspective. He did what he did and he could not have done anything different. This is because of time. The moment I post this response it could not have been anything other than what I posted BUT this was not my original response (I changed it).

              You Asked — “Could you or I?”

              My Response — No!… wait… I’m changing it to Yes 😉

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            • A few decades ago, I learned from two Latter Day Saints missionaries that their church’s doctrine teaches that the biblical ‘lake of fire’ meant for the truly wicked actually represents an eternal spiritual burning of guilt over one’s corporeal misdeeds. Accordingly, I concluded, upon an atrocity-committing monster’s physical death, not only would he (or she) be 100 percent liberated from the anger and hate that blighted his physical life. Also, his spirit or consciousness would be forced to exist with the presumably unwanted awareness of the mindbogglingly immense amount of needless suffering he personally had caused.

              I believe that the human soul may be inherently good, on its own; however, trapped within the physical body, notably the corruptible brain, oftentimes the soul’s purity may not be able to shine through. While the heart may be what keeps the soul grounded in this physical world, I believe that it is the brain and any structural or chemical-imbalance flaws within that, unfortunately, essentially defines one’s character/behavior while the soul is confined within the bodily form. It may be the case that the worst mass-atrocity-committing people throughout history had been thoroughly corrupted by a seriously flawed cerebral structure thus mind (or state of mind). Though, admittedly, that would be, even if true, no consolation to their countless brutalized victims.

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              • Well, to build such a case on a faulty premise has taken you down a rabbit hole.
                There is no consolation for the brutalized nor is there consequences after death for the offender. When your body is dead, nothing happens. Consciousness is unchanged. Think of it like a really good night of dreamless sleep. If you never woke up you’d never know it. The definitions of soul are at odds with reason. Whether you subscribe to science or religion, if you reason it out way beyond the accepted norms, what is it that is happening?

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              • You Stated — “It may be the case that the worst mass-atrocity-committing people throughout history had been thoroughly corrupted by a seriously flawed cerebral structure thus mind (or state of mind).”

                My Response — That may explain why they are the way they are but it’s unlikely. Famous monsters, like Hitler, thrived because of the millions that followed them. Maybe he hit his head and went nuts but that doesn’t explain the millions that followed and carried out his orders.

                I think the challenge is much simpler… gravity.

                They are just regular people that don’t give a shit about anyone other than themselves. They talk loudly and attract more people who don’t give a shit about others. Over time you have a loud angry pile of shit that smothers all life around it.

                Make no mistake, these people are sprinkled in everywhere. They are in your family, your schools, churches, governments, work, etc. They are theist, atheist, agnostics, new agers, etc.

                They are a sickness that creeps around generating hate for self gain.

                There is no need to think about where they go when they die because you will never know as an individual about the fate of other individuals. All religions agree on that and so do nonbelievers.

                It also doesn’t matter if they have a dualistic nature or not since you can’t perceive it. You were designed to deal with what’s in front of you at this moment, that is your designed limitation.

                You are forced to deal with this world at this moment in time ( I believe by god and others believe by nature) but make no mistake, this is your design limitation.

                If you don’t like monsters then you have to stop them here and now or let them consume you.

                It’s as simple as that

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  2. The best gift a child can receive is a healthy, properly functioning brain thus mind for life. … Too many people will procreate regardless of their questionable ability to raise their children in a psychologically functional/healthy manner. Being free nations, society cannot prevent anyone from bearing children; society can, however, educate all young people for the most important job ever, even those high-schoolers who plan to remain childless.

    I wonder how many instances there have been wherein immense long-term suffering by children of dysfunctional rearing might have been prevented had the parent(s) received, as high school students, some crucial child development science education by way of mandatory curriculum? After all, dysfunctional and/or abusive parents, for example, may not have had the chance to be anything else due to their lack of such education and their own dysfunctional/abusive rearing as children. If nothing else, the curriculum would offer students an idea/clue as to whether they’re emotionally/mentally compatible with the immense responsibility and strains of parenthood.

    But due to the Only If It’s In My Own Back Yard mindset, the prevailing collective attitude, however implicit or subconscious, basically follows: ‘Why should I care — my kids are alright?’ or ‘What is in it for me, the taxpayer, if I support programs for other people’s troubled families?’ The self-serving OIIIMOBY can debilitate social progress, even when social progress is most needed.

    The health of all children — and not just what other parents’ children might or will cost us as future criminals or costly cases of government care, etcetera — needs to be of real importance to us all, regardless of how well our own developing children are doing. A mentally sound future should be every child’s fundamental right — along with air, water, food and shelter — especially considering the very troubled world into which they never asked to enter.

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    • You Stated — “The self-serving OIIIMOBY can debilitate social progress, even when social progress is most needed.”

      My Response — Those who do not care about others love death.

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      • … I awoke from another very bad dream, a reincarnation nightmare / where having died I’m yet again being forced to be reborn back into human form / despite my pleas I be allowed to rest in permanent peace. // My bed wet from sweat, I futilely try to convince my own autistic brain / I want to live, the same traumatized dysthymic brain displacing me from the functional world. // Within my nightmare a mob encircles me and insists that life’s a blessing, including mine. // I ask them for the blessed purpose of my continuance. I insist upon a practical purpose. // Give me a real purpose, I cry out, and it’s not enough simply to live nor that it’s a beautiful sunny day with colourful fragrant flowers! // I’m tormented hourly by my desire for emotional, material and creative gain / that ultimately matters naught, I explain. My own mind brutalizes me like it has / a sadistic mind of its own. I must have a progressive reason for this harsh endurance! …

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        • You State — “… I awoke from another very bad dream, a reincarnation nightmare”

          My Response — The strange thing about “want” is that it’s always moving toward what it can’t have.

          There was a time I fought nightmarish dreams that tormented me to no end but one day, while dreaming, I decided to bathe my mind in those terrors, even seek them out.

          To my surprise the nightmare didn’t come prepared.

          I ponder that “who I am” is in conflict with “what I am” while seeking to be something I’m not.

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