10 Things I Learned When I Became A Christian: (#3) Money Money Money


There is an obsession with money in churches that is palatable. I have gone to many and the one thing that is common in most, (not all), is the need to give money.

There is an easy to follow pattern, when it comes to money in these churches. Guilt, Fear, and Freedom.


Approach 1 – Guilt:

This process is simple and it’s effective. They are going to work on you via several people. From the alter and one on one.

  • First: You will be reminded that God gave you the money you have.
  • Second: That you must love the money more than God if you don’t give it back.
  • Lastly: That not giving is limiting the amount of blessing that others could have.

But the Bible disagrees with them, so I do too:

Ecclesiastes 7:12
12 Wisdom is a shelter as money is a shelter, but the advantage of knowledge is this: Wisdom preserves those who have it.


Approach 2 – Fear: This is the primary way of motivating people to give. You convince them that their soul is on the line. That money can save them from damnation. The more you give the closer you are to God and safety. You will hear one of the following.

  • Money or heaven“: The claim is that you make a choice every Sunday between money or God. Heaven or hell.
  • You are stealing from God“: The idea is that when you don’t give you are then stealing money from God.
  • If you hold on to money it will corrupt you“: When you have money it will dirty you, so give it up to stay clean.

But the message in the Bible isn’t about giving any money to churches and there is no weekly payment plan.

Matthew 19:21
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”


Approach 3 – Freedom: If you give your life will be fuller. Your family will have what it needs. Your burdens will be removed. Your bills paid and your pantry full. Giving is faith and faith is security.

  • Give money and more money will be given back
  • Give and you will be blessed
  • Prayer objects“: If you need prayer then there are special napkins (prayer cloth) or bottles of blessed water to answer your prayers.

But the Bible disagrees with them, so I do too:

Proverbs 10:4
4 Lazy hands make for poverty, but diligent hands bring wealth.


Consumer support is also very active:

This is very new to me and it works like this: After service, there are consumer items to support the church or church members. Church members can purchase items to show their support for God and the many ministries of faith.

  • Books
  • Cups
  • T-shirts
  • Posters
  • CD’s
  • Movies

If you have been to a sports game or amusement park, then you know what to expect. It’s like having a small store next to the exit.

But the Bible disagrees with them, so I do too:

Matthew 21:12-13
12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “ ‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”


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17 comments

  1. Someday, we will learn that money is really nothing and that God is everything. Many people currently believe the opposite.

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  2. And they wonder why more and more turn away from God, all because of the Church’s (man’s and woman’s) corruption. Money, influence and power, if anyone can profit off of anything, they probably will try. It takes a constant level of awareness and consciousness to be aware of these scams.

    Money means nothing to God, money doesn’t corrupt, corruption is a human trait. Great post, couldn’t agree more.

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    • You stated — “Money, influence and power, if anyone can profit off of anything, they probably will try. It takes a constant level of awareness and consciousness to be aware of these scams.”

      My response — Exactly!!

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  3. Sadly, this is a valid observation about many churches today.

    But there is an enormous distinction between organized religion and a relationship with God. The churches which focus solely on money miss that point, even if they do use donations for good purposes.

    We are to love God and our neighbor. That love can take many forms, money being only one. ❤

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    • You stated — “We are to love God and our neighbor. That love can take many forms, money being only one. ❤”

      My Q — Just out of curiosity do you remember anywhere in the Bible where money is used to love God?

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      • Love of God in the Bible is other-centered and self-giving. Whenever we give for the benefit of others we are loving God, as shown in 2 Cor.8…

        “And now, brothers and sisters, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedonian churches. 2 In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. 3 For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, 4 they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the Lord’s people. 5 And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us.” (2 Cor.8:1-5 NIV)

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  4. If they claim money is evil, then why do they keep insisting that we give them money?
    Very good post. Agreed with you. Sadly, you are right that what is written in the Bible is commonly the opposite of what the Church teaches.

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  5. I’m sorry but this is a shopworn straw man. It’s too easy to find greedy churches (or immature ones) and cherry pick Scripture in order to say that giving to ministry or churches is wrong. But you’re just as wrong. The New Testament is pretty clear about being generous with our money and giving to ministries.

    Paul made this very argument…

    11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more? (2 Cor.9:11-12)

    14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. (2 Cor.9:14)

    6 Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor. (Gal.6:6)

    Just like any non-profit organization, secular or spiritual, it takes money to provide the service. You get paid to work, don’t you? But the Kingdom of God runs on other-centered, self-giving love, and while there are people who take advantage of this and manipulate as you rightly pointed out, you cannot make the case that it’s biblically wrong to give to ministries and churches. Wrong motive does not negate this. And finding verses that seem to say that you should keep your money to yourself is a total distortion and misuse of Scripture. You might as well tell people to go hang themselves because Judas hung himself.

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    • Greed is one of the cornerstones of the entire Christian religion.
      Consider:The Catholic Church is reported to be the largest individual landowner on the planet (I read somewhere that MacDonald’s is 2nd.) and one of the wealthiest as well.

      Just like any non-profit organization, secular or spiritual, it takes money to provide the service.

      Exactly what service do you as a Pastor provide, Mel?

      And finding verses that seem to say that you should keep your money to yourself is a total distortion and misuse of Scripture

      Is it? I have always been told by Christians that, when it comes to the bible interpretation is the key. So how does one know that your interpretation is correct?

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    • You Stated — “It’s too easy to find greedy churches (or immature ones)”

      My Response — Why would anyone look for a greedy church? How would you find a greedy church if you were looking for one? This post was about my experience after I joined churches. I’m not sure how I would know a church is greedy until you have been there for a while.

      You may also be making some assumptions; they may not be motivated by greed it could simply be culture. I don’t know if you should judge them without knowing more about each individual church.

      Just Saying

      You Stated — “…cherry pick Scripture in order to say that giving to ministry or churches is wrong.”

      My Response — I challenge you to show me where I stated in my post that giving to a church was wrong. I haven’t made any recommendations about what anyone should do or not do. I stated what I experienced as an individual and then I referenced the Bible as where I took direction moving forward.

      I think you are conflating what the Bible states with what I didn’t state. I didn’t write the Bible so I’m hardly to blame if you have an issue with what is said in it.

      As for the “cherry pick Scripture”, are you saying that I shouldn’t post scripture for others to see or are you saying that when you do it (and you did in your reply) it isn’t “cherry picking Scripture” because it’s you?

      You Stated — “The New Testament is pretty clear about being generous with our money and giving to ministries.”

      My Response — Show me the verse, from the Bible, where it states that I should be “generous with money to a ministry”

      You Stated — “Just like any non-profit organization, secular or spiritual, it takes money to provide the service.”

      My Response — Are you saying that without money God can’t get things done or that money is the power behind faith?

      You Stated — “finding verses that seem to say that you should keep your money to yourself is a total distortion and misuse of Scripture.”

      My Response — What verse in the Bible states to keep money for yourself? I’m curious to see where God said that because I have never read a verse in the entire Bible that states that.

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      • Believe what you want to believe. I already answered your questions. I wish you the best.

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        • You Stated — “Believe what you want to believe. I already answered your questions. I wish you the best.”

          My Response — Then I will believe you like to state things without people being able to question you. You also didn’t answer the only questions I have ever asked you since this is the first time we have ever had a conversation.

          I don’t mind ending the conversation since you don’t really have to account for anything, I was just curious to understand your position better.

          Maybe we can talk some other day about other topics.

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      • My response was brief because I don’t have the time to prove every point I made. I’m sure there are parts of my comment where I might’ve missed your point, and I would happy to discuss that with you another time. But your premise was clearly that the church is “obsessed with money.” My response was meant to show that this is a tiresome straw man, often given by anti-theists and Christian despisers (not calling you one). While we certainly can point to examples of that, it doesn’t make it the rule. It also willfully ignores all the good churches and ministries do around the world.

        I gave you verses that show that we should support those in ministry (2 Cor.9:11-14; Gal.6:6); as to responding to all your other questions, again, I lack the time to do.

        As far as my last comment, I’ve found from experience that people will believe whatever they want to believe, and arguing about it won’t change anything unless the person is open, which is rarely the case in these kinds of forums. I don’t have the time to waste. If you are open to changing your opinion, I commend you. Again, I wish you the best.

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        • You Stated — “I would happy to discuss that with you another time.”

          My Response — Seems fair, I’m not in a rush and there’s no time limit. It’s just a conversation. If I can gain new information or perspective, then it’s interesting enough to continue.

          You Stated — “But your premise was clearly that the church is “obsessed with money.””

          My Response — That would be a nonsensical statement since this is a post about what I “actually experienced” not a post about what I think of all the churches in the world.

          For me it seems like you view experience from others to be a lie or camouflage for a subversive agenda if it doesn’t match what you perceive to be the truth or what you may have experienced in the past. I find this to be very interesting but not a good reason to jump to the conclusion you came to. You may have experienced something completely different where you live and that would be understandable but what is concerning is that you reject other people’s experiences (like my own). At the same time your response is fascinating and offers me more perspective so no complaints on my side.

          You Stated — “anti-theists and Christian despisers (not calling you one).”

          My Response — I’m neither of those and it has no relevance to what is true or not true. From my perspective: I have no idea what you are (nor would I care) and I have no thoughts about any agenda you may have since it doesn’t matter in the least to me.

          I am only interested in what you have to say… if it offers me insight into an idea or concept that I’m not aware of. If you get personal it doesn’t offer anything.

          Hope that helps

          You Stated — “It also willfully ignores all the good churches and ministries do around the world.”

          My Response — That would be impossible, a church being greedy in Chicago doesn’t ignore a church in France from doing good. I wouldn’t even know how to address your statement. You may want to provide some examples of this in a future conversation.

          You Stated — “I gave you verses that show that we should support those in ministry”

          My Response — You did, and I gave verses also in my post. Since you have not stated how one is cherry picking and the other isn’t, I’m going to point out that you can’t and we can end this particular part of the conversation since it’s not adding any new information.

          You Stated — “If you are open to changing your opinion, I commend you.”

          My Response — I’m not aware of where I provided an opinion since the post was about an experience. These are events that happened to me in the past, I didn’t force churches to behave in any particular manner and I also didn’t state if they were right or wrong in what they did.

          The verses I posted do not match their behavior, so I think you are conflating my experience with what scripture states as truth.

          Let’s save the rest of this for a day in the future when you want to have a full discussion. I don’t want to keep running into your current “time limit” response just when I think you are getting to something interest

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  6. You’re right. Jesus didn’t say anything about tithing. But as you’ve already mentioned, he did instruct his followers to sell everything they had and give it to the poor.

    He also told his followers:

    – do not store up treasures on earth (Mt 6:19-21)
    – you cannot serve both God and money (Mt 6:24)
    – don’t worry about tomorrow or what you will eat, drink, or wear (Mt 6:25-34) and
    – that it would be hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven (Mt 19:23-24)

    Moreover, Acts 4:34-37 reports that all the early believers shared everything they had and there were no needy persons among them.

    So it appears that Jesus was a strong advocate of communal living and would have soundly rebuked anyone preaching the modern ‘prosperity’ gospel.

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