So I get this question out of context a lot… Do you believe in God?
I get it when I’m not in a conversation about God or when the focus is not on religion. I got it before and after I was a believer and strangely enough, the feedback has remained the same.
On the surface it seems to be a simple question but here’s the rub, people who ask this question out of context only do so to judge or troll me. I can say this because after 500 plus documented interactions with both sides it always ends the same way. Both sides tell me why I’m wrong and the longer it takes to tell me how wrong I am, the more abusive the lesson becomes.
Impromptu, out of context Theist ask to see if I’m knowledgeable enough to provide the correct answer, if I’m not…. They let me know in a really big way, with long explanations as to why I’m not rational enough to truly understand our reality. Lastly, they end with negative personal comments.
Impromptu, out of context Atheist ask to see if I’m intelligent enough to provide the correct answer, if I’m not…. They let me know in a really big way, with long explanations as to why I’m not rational enough to truly understand our reality. Lastly, they end with negative personal comments.
1.based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
It begs the question: Who’s reason? Who’s logic?
On the surface it looks like there are two camps:
But this isn’t the case. I can say this because not all Theist or Atheist actually ask this question out of context. Only a select few from each side go out of their way to drag me into a forced conversation around this question.
So this made me wonder… Who is really asking and why are they asking?
Let’s unpack it:
- First they ask the question
- Then they tell me why my answer is wrong
- If I don’t accept why I’m wrong, they then tell me why I’m not rational
- And finally if I can’t be convinced then it’s time to get verbally abusive
There’s also a very subtle nuance that happens in between where they speak of themselves and their understanding in a very positive light.
hmmm… this reminded me of a particular type of mindset, “Narcissist”.
Narcissistic personality disorder involves a pattern of self-centered, arrogant thinking and behavior, a lack of empathy and consideration for other people, and an excessive need for admiration. Others often describe people with NPD as cocky, manipulative, selfish, patronizing, and demanding.
It doesn’t matter what the topic is, they are going to make you talk about God and they demand to know why you don’t agree with them. They get off on put downs and name calling.
To be clear this has nothing to do with legitimate debates between Theist and Atheist tackling tough subjects of religion within society where real people are impacted on both sides due to bad policies. Substantive conversations where an exchange of ideas and perspectives are challenged in a way that conveys understanding.
What I’m talking about are the select few who are only seeking to satisfy a need for attention through patronizing behavior and gas lighting.
A Theist cannot prove the existence of a God within a range of absolute certainty.
An Atheist cannot disprove the existence of a God within a range of absolute certainty.
Narcissist are not looking for any type of real conversation, they seek only to fulfill a self driven need for pleasure though abusive behavior.
Their arguments are canned, repetitive, lacking any personal connection, and are scripted. They often ignore questions because they have no need to understand your perspective. Your emotions feed their needs.
I made this post so I can simply redirect them here rather than spend anymore time being verbally assaulted by them. Feel free to use this post for your own favorite Narcissist, disguised as a Theist or Atheist in tribalism clothing.